Can you look over the others pages I did the kanji to see if they are correct or not on because I was singed in anonymously at the time I did the some of the pages showing how they are said in Japanese.
The pages I redid the kanji for besides the Londinium page are:
Hi there, Nefertieh. I want to ask if we can add information about the manga cover's character featuring. Each character has one or two times featuring on the manga cover and I want to include that on the character's page. :-?
Hi there Nefertieh, there are my questions collected in the last weeks. I hope I don't overburden you with them.
1) How is Abel in the novels revived? Where is it described? 2) Does Abel come at 100% in the novels? 3) What about Cain, after he steels the nanomachines from Lilith? Becomes his body recovered? 4) How and when can he steel them? 5) Do we know which discipline the Professor Wordsworth teaching? 6) Do we know why Dandelion kill his wife and the others? 7) How and why dies the pope? 8) From whom (and how) is Kate injured, that she fell in coma? 9) How will be Catherina healthy again? Is the Rosenkreuz helping her for she is joining the Orden? 10) I found a description in the internet from Abel at 10% . Is it described anywhere in the Books or manga, or Anime? 11) Is there any connection between fairy vampires (like from never-land) and Seth? Both are using ultrasonic waves and Seth is also fairy like in her Crusnik form.
+1 There is an illustration (from Thores) about some Vatican people, there stand a man beside Wordsworth, with glasses, in black priest robe and hip long black hair. He looks like Isaak. Is it him?
I'll try to answer the questions to the best of my ability, but I haven't read the novels thoroughly myself, so sorry if I can't give you more information than what I know.
1) I haven't read that section of the novels myself. It is described near the end of ROM VI. Considering the scene in the manga is similar to what was shown int the anime, I'm inclined to think that it was what happened in the novels as well. 2) No. 3) Yes. His body became burnt into a pile of ash, but he slowly regenerated himself. 4) He absorbs it. I've seen fans describe that he sucked them out, but I haven't been able to verify this myself. 5) I'm not sure. I'm certain it was mentioned before, but I haven't read the RAM novels so I am unsure. 6) Same as above. 7) He was killed while trying to protect Esther from being assassinated by the RCO. 8) It is implied that Susanne von Skorzeny put Kate into a coma. 9) She isn't healthy, she is still dying. It seems like her illness makes her bedridden from time to time. It's not stated if the RCO is helping her recover, because the novels make it look like her disease is incurable. That's why she's so desperate for revenge against them. 10) I don't recall. 11) Perhaps. Note that Seth is described to have *insect*-like wings in the novels, it was the manga that gave her butterfly wings. 12) No. From left to right, they are Alfonoso, Kate, Abel, young Caterina, Vaclav, William, Georges Rodenbach and Francesco. So the guy with dark hair isn't Isaak, it's Georges Rodenbach.
Hello Nefertieh, ugh, I want to ask about the Organizations page. I wonder if we should or should not place the Rosencreuz Orden in it since Rosencreuz, after all, is a very powerful and large terrorist organization, even the Vatican has to be warry of them.
I have been reading the novels lately and while I think they are very good, there is a complication where the names of certain factions are concerned. Taken together with the anime series, there are several factions (i.e. states, organizations, groups, etc.) that have more than one name. My question is, how do we choose the name of the article when it comes to these factions? For instance, for the Ministry of Doctrine I chose the name "Ministry of Vatican Papal Doctrine" because that is one of its names in the novel. But in the characters section, it is called the "Vatican Department of Doctrine." Also in the characters section, the Ministry of Holy Affairs (English anime name) is called the "Vatican Department of Foreign Affairs."
Hi JRT. Yes, it is often very hard to distinguish which translation is "right" when you have several versions of official translations around. Neither the anime, novels or the manga are the most correct, so I normally use the translation that is either a) used already in the Japanese books (Abel Nightroad, Cain Knightlord and Seth Nightlord), or b) is the closest to the original Japanese. In the case of The Department of Foreign affairs, I guess we can leave the page as either name, and I'll come back later to it so I can compare the translation to the original Japanese name and see which one is the most accurate.
Yes, it is difficult. Thank you for your reply. I agree with your methods and reasoning where the article names are concerned. I would do the same thing, but I don't have the Japanese novels and unfortunately I don't understand Japanese... :/ The English language versions are what I have to rely on, but if you find out which names are closest in translation to the original Japanese version (ex: Ministry of Vatican Papal Doctrine, which is also known as the "Ministry of Saintly Doctrine" in the American-based anime), by all means please feel free to change it to the most accurate translation. Again, thanks for your help.
In one of the captions of the Vatican article, you added "anime only." Since I have not made it that far in the novels yet, I have to ask -- Does this mean that the peace treaty was established in only the anime, and therefore does not exist in the novels or manga, or that the scene between Caterina and Asthe only happened in the anime?
Yes -- that is correct. The Vatican does not establish good relations with the Empire at all -- that's why Caterina had to secretly contact Seth to form a secret alliance, and the reason why Abel and Esther had to sneak into the Empire as human servants. Caterina would have been killed by the Inquistion if it was found out she did that, but she was willing to risk it because she wanted to take down the RKO. So really, the it was was a Caterina-Seth alliance, not a Vatican-Empire alliance.
The anime's portrayal of the process for establishing peace between the Vatican and the Empire seems somewhat similar to the novels' depiction of the secret negotiations between Caterina and Seth. While it was never outrighted stated in the anime that Caterina had to keep her negotiations secret for fear of being accused of treason and sentenced to execution (at least as far as I remember), the story arcs involving Vatican-Empire relations did imply that these negotiations were never official until the end when Asthe traveled to Rome in order to work with Caterina on finalizing the peace treaty. Some examples would be when Asthe went to Venice to work with Abel (the anime seemed to present that event as a mission privately sanctioned by Sforza rather than the actual Vatican government); or when Ion was sent to negotiate with Sforza (again, it wasn't through official channels since neither the Vatican or Sforza knew that Ion went into the Outer World to make contact with the former through the latter).
The main difference between the novel and anime versions is the outcome of these private negotiations. As you said, in the novels the "alliance" was never official and only applied to Seth and Caterina, as well as their agents (ex: Abel, Asthe, etc.). However, by end of the anime an official peace treaty was signed by the Vatican and the Empire.
I'll add a note in the Notes and references section to explain the different outcomes regarding the novelization and anime versions of the negotiation process between Caterina and Seth. Again, thanks for the reply.
I don't think the anime made it clear that Caterina wanted an alliance with the Seth to take down the RCO, and that the the Vatican would never make any peace treaty whatsoever with the Empire, and vice versa. Seth makes comments in the end of the first RAM novel that implies she would take down the Vatican or the RCO herself if it wasn't for the fact that she would have to fight two other Crusniks to do it.
Yeah, I don't recall any specific mention in the anime series about defeating the RCO as one of Caterina's motives for secretly reaching out to the Empress, although it is somewhat implied since they both share a common enemy in the RCO. Her main motivations (at least in the anime) seem to be peace for its own sake, and strengthening the Vatican with more lost technology. In the anime, she talks about wanting to open a diplomatic channel between the Vatican and the Empire so that the former can benefit from the latter's technological advancement.
In the ep. 20, Francesco was clearly opposed to the idea of peace with the Empire, and Seth privately suspected that the peace would not last indefinitely. Part of the reason she agreed to the treaty in the first place was because it's what Abel wanted.